Ultraconflagrant

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It´s not that this guy denies the holocaust, it´s this whole Pius-organisation which wants to reestablish old traditions like the church service spoken in latin, the prist is looking at the cross and not to the audience, women are not allowed to help during the church service and so on

this is what is called ultraconservative

the Pius-guys also don´t want to accept the 2nd vatican council which is a problem!

Why does Ratzinger open his arms to the right wing christians but not to the left wing christians?


sorry it must say: it´s not ONLY that this guy...
Max! I miss you!

I should mention in response to your comment that while I agree with you regarding the use of Latin and prohibition of women participation (I think the common language should be used and women should be allowed to participate), I need to set you straight about this notion of facing the "audience". Church Liturgy is not a performance -- there are no actors and no patrons. Hence, we have to avoid the concept of the congregation as "audience." Christians are not to go to Church to be entertained, but to worship God. Unfortunately, this concept of entertainment has infiltrated the church in the west, particularly in America, so everyone thinks it's offensive if the priest doesn't face the people.

However, in the Orthodox Church, which I converted to this past Christmas, the priest practices the older tradition and faces the altar. This is not because he is "turning his back on the people," but because we are all traveling together in the same direction, in prayer toward God's unending presence. Incidentally, the Orthodox sanctuary always faces east, because the sun rises in the east, and we all look toward the Light of the Son.

The real gist of my post was simply that to call this guy "conservative" is a misnomer. He may hold conservative views, but believing that the Holocaust never took place is not in the least bit conservative. I know people who support the old style of Catholic Mass, but who fully accept the reality of the Holocaust, as they should. And if we must give them a label, we can call them conservative. But for this guy to hold certain beliefs like that and then ALSO to believe that the Holocaust was a lie, that doesn't make him MORE conservative than he already was, i.e. "ULTRAconservative"; it just makes him a moron.

"Conservatives" and "liberals" both can be morons. I know plenty of them.

btw, how are you? Still with your gf? I am looking to come to Wien in May, so we may be seeing each other soon. :)
hey ho Derek, it´s so good to hear from you! Why are you never on Skype?

Now I see your point with the word Ultraconservative and I think you are absolutely right.
As you know I don´t go to church and I´m not religious but I can understand your point with "all people travelling into the same direction". I took part in an orthodox church service while I was in Serbia and I enjoyed it (I liked the smell of the holy smoke and the strange sounds of the singing, and I loved the fact that I didn´t understand a word ;)

I´m fine and life is good here in Vienna. My girlfriend is still my girlfriend and I´m still an active part of the Social Democrats. Some things didn´t turn out to be the right thing for me but other chances came along. All I can say is that I am happy and I hope to see you soon!!!


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